Question:
Atheists...how do you explain our existance?
2008-03-19 22:11:39 UTC
I am curious as to how atheists explain why anything exists.
I assume that atheists believe that everything came from the big bang and whatever science dictates, but why did the big bang even occur in the first place? It seems to me that there has to be cause for the very first event, but if there was nothing before that event...what could have caused it?

I am not asking this to challenge your opinions, I am just curious as to how atheists explain these phenomenon. (please dont insult me or be rude then)
thanks!
Sixteen answers:
R[̲̅ə̲̅٨̲̅٥̲̅٦̲̅]ution
2008-03-20 21:13:38 UTC
Try this 2-part answer on for size: We don't know for sure. But that doesn't mean that we _can't_ or _never_will_ know.



Those who use god(s) to explain the existence of humans and/or the universe are using the "god of the gaps" argument. This boils down to using god(s) to explain that which is currently unexplainable--the gaps in our knowledge.



The problem with the "god of the gaps" approach is that knowledge is cumulative, and every day our gaps in knowledge shrink ever more. Consider that a few centuries ago, people believed that disease was caused by demonic possession. Eventually, optical physics led to the invention of the microscope, which in turn led to the discovery of germs, which combined with biology led to the germ theory of disease, which is what we have today. Similarly, we now know that lightning is a weather phenomenon, and not Zeus hurling mighty spears to Earth.



Actually, inflation theory, our most accurate theory of cosmology, has some pretty rational explanations for how our universe came about. (FYI, inflationary theory supplanted the big bang theory the same way relativity supplanted Newtonian physics.) To that end you may want to check out a book called "The Inflationary Universe" by Alan Guth from your local public or university physics library.



By the way I don't mean to sound rude, but I do have a slight nitpick with your use of the phrase "whatever science dictates." Science is not a belief system like religion, but a methodology. Science & scientists are not meant to be taken on authority like religion is; the whole purpose of science is that its conclusions can be challenged if new data is discovered or a better-fitting theory comes along. Scientists do not take scientific conclusions on blind faith the way believers take religious doctrine on blind faith. The peer-review process makes sure any new theory is thoroughly vetted, and scientists can be quite competitive and critical. No scientific theory will stand simply because it's liked; it must deliver the goods.



Finally, from a purely philosophic view, why must there be a reason or purpose for our existence? We have free will, and thus a large degree of control over our lives. Is it not enough simply to exist? It seems to me that what's more important is not how we came to be but what we do with our lives once we're here. And introducing a creator god into the equation doesn't actually answer anything, because the next logical question is, where did this god or gods come from? If our universe requires a First Cause, why doesn't god?



I can't fully explain why anything exists. But what we do know, simply doesn't require the presence of a god. Gods are superfluous in that they aren't necessary, and add nothing to our understanding of the universe.
bonzo_dog
2008-03-19 22:45:27 UTC
Do I know what caused the big bang? Hell no. Ask Stephen Hawking. I sure hope that you don't think that lack of expert scientific knowledge of an event should translate into evidence of God's existence. And what if even the experts don't know the answer? Does *that* constitute evidence? The attitude that which we don't have the scientific knowledge of is automatically assigned to divine creation has long been held, but then new scientific studies create awkwardness for religion. At least in the western world nowadays they can't throw you in jail for asserting as fact something that contradicts established religious viewpoint like they did with Galileo.



You could argue the beginning of the universe thing infinitely if you really wanted. Even if the authorities provide an answer to what caused the big bang, then you might respond what caused the cause, and then what caused the cause of the cause, and so on. I'm sure that before the "big bang" theory existed, many people claimed that God exists because how else could you explain how the universe began?
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2016-05-24 19:04:47 UTC
The question of how the universe began is a difficult one for which we have no definitive answer -- and perhaps never will. However, not knowing the answer does not mean that by default God did it. Because outside of what the bible says, what reason would you have to believe such a thing? What would bring you to that specific conclusion? The beginning of the universe does not become easier to understand and explain when you say God did it, it becomes even more complicated because then you need to explain how God did it and who made God. One of the hypotheses is that the Big Bang would be one of an infinity of cycles of expansion and compression and the universe was perhaps always there. This is not an easy concept to grasp, but by saying that God is everywhere and was always there, you've already accepted that it's a possibility. The events that lead to our existence may seem extraordinarily unlikely, but the reality is that they occurred. Therefore they were possible. Whatever conclusion you reach about the universe, at the very least, it must rely on a minimum of supported evidence and a 2,000 year old version of the Readers' Digest doesn't count, unfortunately.
2008-03-19 22:41:38 UTC
Good question - I would consider myself an atheist, though I havent considered it too much which is probably why when someones answer was 'before the big bang they dont know' - its true! I never thought what was before the big bang!



I still cant beleive in a God no matter how hard I try! But this question has lead me to wonder what was before the big bang. I suppose that leads to why the universe etc which I have thought about but it is one of those crazy questions that causes you to keep folding in on your own thoughts and mind! I cant bring myself to believe that there is a God figure who is 'responsible' for all this - especially as a human being is so totally insignificant in the grand scheme of nature and the world and space. By having a God we suggest we are bigger then planets and universe itself and well who is around the longest - a person or the planet/stars/space? A god would have to be bigger then all of those things and I dont believe that a 'human' can be (and why is it always mainly male god forms people imagine - seems a bit suss and unrealistic to me) I think the idea of a God who is all powerful is just a very reassuring notion for people, one which they can comprehend better then the endless questions that science and philosophy evoke. People dont want to be questioning all the time they just want to get on with their lives and religion (belief in a God) gives people a guideline and boundary to live within to feel safe and secure, like they really are important and do belong. It is harder to get those things if you have to think them up yourself. Religion and belief in a god offers it all ready to live and digest you just have to suscribe and be willing to smooth over any grey areas that may confront you in your beleif in god.



So its not that an atheist can explain the phenomenon its just that they are happy and dont mind not having an answer rather then living with an answer which doesnt resinate for them.



:)
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2008-03-19 22:59:49 UTC
I am agnostic here too.



Come now people, know your Big Bang and its limits. Scientists have no idea of what the cause of Big Bang was.



However that does not necessary mean it is created by god, it just means they have not been able to find out, yet or perhaps ever. And people are so anxious to claim the right for an explanation and disregard everything else...



In the court of laws, things are not proven until evidence are established, so why should it be any different with religion and god? Are we to claim earth is flat and that the planets revolt around earth all over again? Have we not learned to not make false claim prematurely?
humanidee
2008-03-19 22:38:03 UTC
Science does not dictate, it investigates.

Religion only speculates, and then dictates.

The big bang and other theories are just that. The point of science is to continually bring into question the theories that are put forth.

Religions all around the world approximate the same stories to each other, and these resemble the evidence found by scientists.

There is no reason for this debate, therefore I am an agnostic.
2008-03-20 00:43:59 UTC
I am atheist, but I don't know how to explain my existence.



I do believe in freedom of religion, but all I see is nothing but a huge misconception.



Everything had to come from somewhere.

All matter and energy alike.



I only can wish i knew, but belief in a god just isn't enough for me.



I am trying to enter a field of a mixture of human Biology, and Organic Chemistry, one of the reasons is to try and further my understandings. I believe in the science behind things.



Don't get me wrong, I may not believe in religion as a whole, but I do believe at the same time, anything is possible. Overall though, fact before theory.



I can;t explain it, but it's the ultimate question in life, and my ultimate has always been to find the answer, whether I like it or not (whether it be science or faith).
slicinglife
2008-03-19 22:33:32 UTC
I am agnostic and I don't think anyone, be it an atheist or a christian can explain our existence without causing contradictions. Because our knowledge of this world seems so limited, even though science has already done a very good job of expanding our ideas of the world and the universe. It seems that the best approach to the meaning of existence is to suspend our judgment. If I can, while I am alive, just for once meet with God face-to-face or at least receive his message in my dream, I will not hesitate to convert myself to a religious person and embrace my existence under God's command. But the chance is that it will never happen. Science explains why this and that happens but it can not overcome our fundamental, essential awareness of ourselves. Like the existentialists say, we are thrown into this world without our willing to do so. The reason why we are here can not be justified without creating void arguments or stepping beyond the boundary of our understanding. Agnostics seem to get the best of this dilemma by refusing to give a definite answer.
Entropy is for sheep
2008-03-19 23:39:41 UTC
I'm agnostic first of all.



Before I answer your question I want to make sure you understand that a lot of physicists believe that before the big bang, time did not exist (at least in the sense we understand it). There was nothing. I can't stress the "nothing" enough.



Time is intrinsically tied with space. Since there was no "space" before the big bang, there was no "time".



With that in mind, we now realize that our problem in answering this question ("what event caused the big bang) is caused by our limited perspective.



To keep it simple: We have always "known" time and space, so we can't grasp the idea of a place or time without "time/space".



In other words, we are suffering from the allegory of the platos cave.



In this allegory, Plato states that men are like prisoners in a cave, tied and bound so they can't even move their heads, and forced to watch shadows from a fire behind them endlessly. These poor men would interpret that as reality since they know nothing else about the world.



And since they have never left this cave, they can't fathom a world with a sun, or animals, or anything other than a cave wall with shadows.



So, our level of understanding is limited by our notion of reality (no to sound too metaphysical).



So some people can't grasp the idea of a "time before space", because it's all we know.



So that kind of answers (and doesn't) our question: what caused the big bang? Nothing. Because there was NOTHING before the big bang.



Does that seem to make sense? No. But only because we are so used to seeing things in linear space/time. We can't even envision a world without it.



Trippy, no?
claw453
2008-03-20 02:21:13 UTC
I'm not an atheist, but has anyone considered where all the matter/light/gravity goes to when it sucked into a black hole? Maybe the big bang started when the black hole opened a worm hole and stuff started spewing out.
2008-03-19 22:20:05 UTC
The athiest claim that everything came from the big bang is similar to the theist claim that everything came from God. So athiests explain where the big bang came from the same way that theists explain where God came from: they don't know. Theists might find this athiest explanation to be unsatisfying. And maybe it is. But no more so than the theist explanation.
2008-03-19 22:30:22 UTC
its all a guess, but logic says big bang and im a logical guy so i say big bang. but i think gravity is the cause of the bang too, like the guy up there.
2008-03-19 22:50:05 UTC
Thats simple, It exists because Nothing (thats a name) smoke a super blunt, and imagined us all... I'm not athiest but what if sense there is a bunch of other galaxys, we are all small sub sub glaxays that are or in the skin cell of HUGER galaxy?
The I Chong
2008-03-19 22:25:11 UTC
I don't know, and most likely never will. I'm okay with that, man. I don't feel the need to explain it with an unprovable hypothesis.
CBlackfire
2008-03-19 22:31:03 UTC
there was a show on the history or discovery channel.. 'how the earth was made'. its AMAZING!!! id strongly suggest you watch it
October
2008-03-19 22:15:55 UTC
The cause of the big bang was gravity.


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