Is it in any way possible that a thought can exist WITHOUT a thinker -or must a thought REQUIRE a thinker? Why?

Question

I'm looking for answers which can demonstrate how thoughts COULD exist without a thinker. Assuming that they CAN without explain HOW isn't satisfactory. Or do you think a thought is something that MUST require a thinker by definition?

If you answer yes or no, how can you be 100% sure your answer COULD be correct? (Saying HOW is very important.) All unjustifiable claims will be given the thumbs down however you MAY make assumptions which in principle MAY be true as long as you can supply meaningful arguments WHY. Avoid all assumptions which have NOTHING to back them up. Assumptions with something meaningful to back them up are OK however it is important to explain WHY an assumption is somehow meaningful.

Avoid baseless claims at all times.

Answer 1

Interesting question. No, a thought cannot occur without a thinker. By definition, a thought is a product of a thinker, it is generated by its source, the thinker. The thought cannot exist purely by fact that it exists, that assumption is illogical. I claim that this answer is correct, but i can further explain it - This is a very common question, which came first the chicken or the egg, by asking this, you understand that either can be the answer, because both is a source of each other. The source is a parent of creation. Thought is merely a single cell of consciousness directed from our being, from the thinker who has created this cell.

Answer 2

To find the true answer to your question you must watch and be aware of your own mind rather than asking someone else, or listening to what some so called expert has to say. The evidence is all there in front of you. But in order to be aware the mind has to be in the moment, silent and very alert.



There is no thinker, only conditioned thinking.

Foe all thinking is conditioned.

Thoughts create the thinker.

Thought is the result of your conditioning, thought is the response of your memory.



What are thoughts?

Thoughts are the result of memory aren't they?

After all you cannot think about anything you do not know, can you?

Go a head try?

Thought cannot penetrate into the unknown, and so it can never discover or experience reality.

For what ever your thought is it is based on previous thoughts.

So thoughts are memory derived from experience.

The origin of thinking is experience

So experience = memory = thoughts = the 'i'.

Thought is always a fragment because thought is the outcome of the past and the past is a fragment of the total time.



Thinking arise due to perception, contact, sensation and then thought, based on memory. Thought creates the thinker, it is the thinking process that brings the thinker into being. Thought comes first, and later the thinker, it is not the other way round.



As soon as thought enters the field it automatically takes the 'i' with past hurts, prejudices, jealousy, fond memories and experiences.

Thought has created the me. When the moment of thought stops there is no me.

So the 'I' is generated by thought.

Thoughts produce the 'I'.

Where there are no thoughts the thinker does not exist.

To be in the moment when thought is absent is true enlightenment.

Seeing without thought does not put the brain to sleep, on the contrary it is fully awake, attentive, without friction and pain.

Watch a bird soring in the wind, just watch and observe its effortless gliding through the sky.

Most people will watch and produce thoughts about the bird by internally naming it or saying its beautiful, or comparing it to another bird or of a picture they had seen before,



To understand the bird completely we must give 100% attention, watch without the word, we cannot understand it probably if part of our mind is in the past, comparing through thought.



As soon as you name the bird you will not see that individual bird, you will be viewing it from memory. Ah that's a seagull! I know what seagulls look like and walk on. To look with thought and to look without thought are two different things. The very recognition prevents the experiencing.



Is not the movement of time, psychologically, the movement of thought? So thought is time and time is fear – obviously. All problems are created, psychologically and inwardly by thought.



Life begins where thought ends.







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Answer 3

Thoughts are a form of electrical energy in the brain, but they need the matrix of the brain cells to exist. Without a thinker there could not be a thought. Actually, the question is illogical in itself, because a thought is the product of a thinker. Any form of energy that existed without a thinker therefore could not be a thought, no matter what form it took. It is not impossible that at some time in the future intelligent computers may be able to think, but the thoughts will still require some form of matter for the electrons to flow and be organised in.

Answer 4

Basic rules

→ A thinker is a sentient being.

→ Nature, the basis of sentience, is not sentient.

→ Thought is an analytical key.



Analytical key

a centre of stored instructions (algorithms), expressions (rules; heuristics) and priorities of instructions and rules (the landmarks/cues).



A Solution:

Of Genetics, the genome of an organism is an analytical key, with genes turning on and off in accordance with the key, driven ultimately by thermodynamics, not a thinker (sentient being).





The Logic



General Proposition

→ Thought is anything in the form of an analytical key, formed and reusable by nature and only by extension sentient beings.

→ Its origin is in nature, not sentience.

→ It must be translatable and recordable to exist.





Sentient beings create analytical keys, as is the case with nature e.g. DNA and RNA, the precursors of life on earth.



Analogy (Particular to particular)

a computer program runs on code; but its operations are based on algorithms recordable by media form (paper, memory).

Logical Flaw: The human thinker created the operating code of the computer program, and any translation is derived from a human brain.

This is corrected by the solution provided (aka genomes).





More explanation of my motives

for the brain, a thought is measured by brain activity; but beyond the medium of thought; is the pattern of thought; the general concept of thought; even if the brain defines the pattern for the human, there is a general pattern for anything that fits the category.





About the Answer

I have just given you a broad definition of thought based on the general concept of the concept of thought i.e. the characteristics (i.e. formulator) rather than the specifics (e.g. brain) of the concept. (Certain characteristics are inherent in the definition of thought beyond the specifics (is it human or machine etc));



Off-topic

Words are strange; full of characterization and specification.

I prefer the characterization than the specifics, because there is a lot of commonality in reality; the same things repeated only with different particulars; like a fractal, its overall pattern defines and organizes all its particulars.







To be continued...

Answer 5

A thought is a point of energy. A thought is a creative possibility. We have termed this energy with the label or the word "thought" and have created confusing explanations and wild theories about the origin or the source of thought. Here is another! A properly functioning mind has the capacity to interpret the energy nature of that which it observes. Thought results from the communication of that which is being consciously focused upon, it is simply an offering of potential creativity pertaining to that which we are seeking to utilise to facilitate our creative point of intention.



Imagine there being nothing or that everything you have ever known has been stripped away, there is no universe, there is only you existing in a blackness of nothingness. It would be impossible to think, because there is no observable reference point for you to stimulate the communication between you and an object thing or subject. We can think about the past thought fuelled simulations of the mind which we have already experienced, because they are apart of our memory, so we can always revert back to them whenever we want as these act as a reference point for our conscious point to follow.



Likewise we can also think about future mind simulations of what we would like to manifest based on what we have already experienced and defined of ourselves. We can also consciously connect to the the creative unfolding moment of being in the now experience where we have access to the new communicating thought of the now, past and future. We are merely instruments that feel our way into choosing the right thought that has the creative potential to open wide our creative intention. I hope you can make some sense of this because I am lost! I bless me in you and you in me for we are truly one!

Answer 6

No thing is a thing by itself.



There is no Light without Dark.

No Good without Evil.

No Pleasure without Pain.



A book without a reader is not a book.



And this is by definition. To define is to draw a line. To posit a variance of characteristics within & without the boundary. To associate cause with effect. This is the nature of thought. If the line is not drawn there is no thought & the thinker is defined as the line drawer.

Answer 7

To be able to definitively say, we must have a common definition of "thought". I could imagine that to some people define thought is an idea, which can exist without a thinker. In my view a thought is the content of cognition. It is the activity of your consciousness, and in this regard as soon as you stop thinking of it your "thought" is gone.

Answer 8

This a pointless question. We don't even really know what is a thinker... is it a human? Or what else? And what is a thought? Until you don't come up with a clear definition of what a thinker and thought are, you can't ask questions about them. It's the same asking "Does god exists?", you can't answer until you don't know what is god...

Answer 9

A thinker is merely he who identifies with the thoughts that arise in his mind.

As long as we think we are the thinker of our thoughts we will be a slave to them.

The master of thoughts is he who is aware of the very act of thinking occuring in consciousness which is not the same as a 'thinker'.

Answer 10

Thoughts exist without thinkers... (books), but they require a human that can understand those thoughts to rethink them and make them technically exist again. You can never be 100% sure about anything... unless you're in denial, simple minded, stubborn, or a religious zealot.

Answer 11

thoughts float into my mind, i dont create them. they live on a cloud in the sky, and sometimes some thoughts decide to drop from the cloud into my mind.

Answer 12

It is called a "brain fart". This is what happens when an idiot comes up with an idea.



A moron with an idea is a dangerous thing. Just look at barack obama.