God cannot exist because infinity exists?

Question

It just occurred to me that since everything is infinite, that means no one true God can exist. There may be entities that thinks they are god in this existence/dimension or some other, but as long as the concept of infinity exist in our minds or in nature, then God cannot exist because they are in direct opposition.

Basically there's always going to be a more powerful god than the next ad infinitum.

But I think a true God can exist at any one spec of time if one freezes that time frame, than there's one true God. This I think is because more powerful Gods comes into existence as time passes.

If this world is a quantum world where one spec of time is frozen and possibly engineered by some "god" or "gods", then we would have a true god only for our universe and space/time/dimension. But this God can never say there are no one more powerful than him.

i just thought of it, do you think this is just pointless speculation or what?

Answer 1

More than pointless speculation, I'd call that nonsense. More powerful gods coming into existence and engineering moments of time, each waiting for "the concept of infinity" to no longer "exist in our minds" so it can be the one true God--it sounds like bad Sci Fi.



Something sorta related and actually mathematical is the following interesting definition of infinity. In particular, a set S is called "Dedekind infinite" if there is a proper subset of S with as many elements as S (i.e. there's a bijection from the subset to the set). Sweeping some details under the rug, this definition is equivalent to the usual one. As an example, consider the set of numbers 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, .... By adding 1 to each number, we get the numbers 1, 2, 3, 4, ..., But the numbers 1, 2, 3, 4, ... are a *proper* subset of the numbers 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, ..., yet we've just given a bijection between these sets. Hence the set of numbers 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, ... is Dedekind infinite.



In this sense, you can sometimes add some elements to infinite sets without getting a larger number of elements overall, so while two sets can be properly ordered by inclusion, they can still be equal by cardinality. Infinity is a tricky thing, and relying on your "intuition" will almost surely lead you far astray.

Answer 2

God cannot exist because infinity exists?

It just occurred to me that since everything is infinite,



~~~ Error!

You erroneously assume 'infinite', which is merely an imaginary term, with no meaning other than imaginary!

If you count the number of subatomic particles comprising the atoms and molecules in every ocean and river and lake and cloud on the planet, you can METAPHORICALLY use the term 'infinite', because all it ever means is NEARLY 'infinite', for all intents and purposes is can 'figuratively' be considered 'infinite', but not literally!

Not science nor philosophy can support anything 'infinite' beyond the 'limitations' of the imagination!

Mathematically, 'infinite' can exist, but all 'math' exists in the imagination!

No matter how far you disassemble a rock, you will never find a "1" (one)!

The 'one' exists in your imagination!





that means no one true God can exist.



~~~ And your second error.

Everything exists!

That is why it is IMPOSSIBLE to ever 'prove/demonstrate that anything, ever, doesn't exist!

The Omni- (Pantheistic) God quite logically exists!

Everything exists!



If you think that you can demonstrate a 'non-existence', you need to rewind to the point where your error began, and find where and how it DOES exist!

Pink unicorns exist in the imagination!

Thoughts exist, as do the 'content' of thoughts!

Infinity, like 'nothing' are empty and meaningless words.

Poor language.

Poor thinking.

Answer 3

The Universe isn't infinite. Conceptually we might think it is, but it had a beginning. Unless you think the loads of evidence that the Big Bang theory isn't true.



I would say that since our Universe had a beginning, it either came from an infinite multiverse or it came from an infinite God.



However, proving that the multiverse exists and that it is infinite, disproves a creator.



Finally, time exists because space exists. Einstein showed that space and time are two sides of the same coin. Without space, time doesn't exist. It might be philosophically hard to imagine, but there is a place in our Universe where time is stopped. That place is in the center of a black hole, where gravity is infinite as it approaches an infinitely small point. It is essentially the edge of space as we know it.

Answer 4

You have the wrong understanding of God. There is only 'One' God because God is all there is, as omnipresence suggest. There is nothing but God as the totality of all existence. Even if it were possible for there to be other 'gods,' they would only be lesser aspects of God in the Highest. Infinity implies Oneness/Allness, without dualistic separation of subject and object, 'this' or 'that'. All things are one, and unified under God in the Highest. What is meant by the term 'God' is the source of all of existence, not something that is limited to existence or nonexistence.

Answer 5

Either it is pointless or simply over my head. You may be right and I just can't grasp it....



Sorry. I suppose this answer is not very helpful. I say never stop thinking along any line of thought that has not been exhausted. In other words, nothing is wrong or pointless until proven so.



Keep thinking deeply and good luck to you.

Answer 6

Spinoza's proof of God as an absolutely infinite Material Substance refutes that. Read his "Principles of Cartesian Philosophy" and "Improvement of Understanding".

Answer 7

Both god and infinity are irrational constructs. Therefore, they are both beyond any rules of logic or inference.

Answer 8

Both god and infinity are irrational constructs. Therefore, they are both beyond any rules of logic or inference.

Answer 9

Foolish worldly wisdom. Everything exists because God exists.

Answer 10

Both god and infinity are irrational constructs. Therefore, they are both beyond any rules of logic or inference.

Answer 11

Your concept of God itself is wrong.



The terms infinite, existence, entity, engineer, dimension, more powerful, one spec of time, freezing of time, etc. are all scientific words belong to physical world.



God is not an entity of physical world. God like love cannot be known through scientific terminology. He is the consciousness "I" experienced by everyone from within. Your life and the whole world encompassing everything in the universe is manifestation of that universal soul, "I".

Answer 12

How do you really know everything is infinite. String theory says we're in a bubble. Even without string, we might be in a bubble.



IF there is a god, if we are not, how could we know?

Answer 13

Every thing that exists has been created from dark energy of the universe. God is beyond creation - it is He who created every thing using dark energy which also was created by Him.



Hinduism says God is infinite soul - Omnipotent and Omnipresent.



Human mind can never understand what is God.



The Limits of Intelligence



http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-limits-of-intelligence/



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1286257/Limitations-human-brain-mean-understand-secrets-universe.html



Limitations of Knowledge



http://www.asparkstarts.com/the-limitations-of-knowledge/

Answer 14

Any given set with one element is finite, not infinite. One counter example is enough to falsify your assertion that everything is infinite according to the rules of logic.

Answer 15

"It just occurred to me that since everything is infinite, that means no one true God can exist."



Everything is infinite???



Name ONE thing that is "infinite", and explain in what sense it is infinite.

Answer 16

nope. for one you cannot prove a negative. no one will ever be able to prove that something cannot exist.

Answer 17

Nice try, but unconvincing as hell..... I stand by my one and only God.

Answer 18

"...pointless speculation...": post to Philosophy.



Maybe they will show you where you just don't connect.

Answer 19

dude you can believe whatever you want

Answer 20

Nice try, but you are wrong.

Answer 21

NO