Question:
Ayn Rand's "the Fountainhead" What have I gotten myself into?
anonymous
1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC
Ayn Rand's "the Fountainhead" What have I gotten myself into?
Eight answers:
Curtis Edward Clark
2010-10-01 17:18:36 UTC
The Fountainhead has the theme of "rational egoism". The heroine thinks rational egoism isn't possible and tries to destroy her own ego; when she can't do that, she tries to destroy the one man who keeps reminding her why she can't. He is our hero, a man who refuses to do what he knows is not right and so remains a penniless, unknown architect until he begins to gain a few converts.



His best friend becomes someone who today would be a billionaire, but who got there by stepping on everyone and anyone who got in his way, and by destroying others. Where our heroine tried to destroy herself, our successful industrialist destroyed the egos of other people--for the same reason the heroine tried to destroy herself--the belief that rational egoism was impossibility.



Why did these two men become friends? Because it was only with each other that they could be openly rational and talk about what life meant to each of them, and so it was only in each other's company that they could relax--except for one other person, our heroine, who comes between them but finds one is an unmoved mover and the other is an unstoppable force. Fortunately, our hero stops the unstoppable force, who accepts that the hero is right and he himself is wrong, and therein gives up the woman in order not to destroy her and his best friend, but destroys instead the world he created by walking over people.



Seen in that light, doesn't it sound interesting?
?
2010-10-01 17:02:04 UTC
Roark is the embodiment of the human spirit and his struggle represents the triumph of individualism over collectivism

THIS

BOOK

IS

A

MUST READ

yes read the fu*king book



i dont follow Objectivism

my style of thinking is more of a skeptic and Existential

but a very good book and who knows you might enjoy it



what is funny though is it empizeizes individualism and stilll the mob makes a cult out of it
?
2010-10-01 16:24:10 UTC
The Fountainhead was the first Rand that I read. I went on to read Atlas Shrugged and much of her non-fiction. My overall impression was good, however I felt it ended unrealistically. Ayn Rand is a Romantic to the core. Were I to do it over again, I'd probably read her works in the following order:



"Atlas Shrugged"

"The Virtue of Selfishness" (don't let the title mislead you--basically a primer into her philosophy)

"The Fountainhead"

further philosophic works



Altas of course is her magnum opus, and her philosophy is much more overt than in the Fountainhead, which is why I recommend getting that overview before reading. If you understand where Rand is coming from ideologically, the book will make a lot more sense.



Whatever you do, don't let the detractors of Ayn Rand (or some of her supporters) detract you, especially if all they have to offer is ad hominem attacks. As far as Dr. Laura goes, Rand speaks out explicitly on the vileness and idiocy of racism, so don't fall into thinking that the worst examples of her readers exemplify her ideals. Instead, read it and judge for yourself.



I am neither 16 nor an @sshole, and I know many, many serious students of Objectivism (Rand's philosophy) that are not either. Sure, there are 16yos and @ssholes that claim to be fans, but in my experience, they generally don't even understand what they're reading.
anonymous
2016-06-02 11:06:40 UTC
I didn't read Fountainhead, but I did recently read Atlas Shrugged. I am a very well read person, and I am just about the opposite of a right wing trickle down economic tax slashing conservative, but I really enjoyed the book, and the ideas where fresh and interesting to me on some levels. I didn't sit and try to pick them apart and show how they were wrong as I read it like some of the contributors below ( if they did read the book) but rather tried to understand it and then critiqued it after finishing. There are plenty of places that I disagree profoundly with her philosophy, but there are also a few ideas that I respect a lot and have integrated into my worldview. The writing wasn't particularly brilliant, but the story telling was fantastic and besides for a few overly long rants it was highly enjoyable to read. Conclusion, there is no way it would be a waste of your time unless you are the type that gets upset when people have values different than yours. If you are the type that can respect ideas that are different from your own then I would really recommend reading some Ayn Rand. Best case scenario you like it; worst case it will help you understand 16 year olds/assholes/Schlessinger/and others you've head bad things about :)
?
2010-10-01 16:22:03 UTC
You should go ahead and read it. I personally don't care for Ayn Rand, but it seems like a whole lot of people want to promote her, and claim she's enlightened them. Her philosophy is indeed childish, irrational (despite it's claim to rationality) and is founded upon what most people with any modicum of philosophical education consider a rather pitiful misunderstanding of pretty basic philosophy. And yet, I think it's pretty important to read it. There are 3 reasons why.



1) If She's Crazy --- if it's really the case that her philosophy is garbage, then there's a value to reading it, and finding the flaw of her arguments. If you only read works you expect to like, then you're not exercising your critical thinking. There's a lot of garbage philosophy out there, and Ayn Rand presents enough material for you to think about, and critique, that even if you finish the book with the conclusion that she really was an insane, arrogant, self-promoting wack-job, you'll at least be confronted with having to assess WHY you think so--- and this will in turn strengthen your own philosophic convictions. You'll have a better basis by which to know what you think, and why you think she's nutty.



2) Maybe She's Misunderstood --- The fact that many people (such as me) consider Ayn Rand about as philosophically valid as Sarah Palin doesn't mean it's true. Many Rand enthusiasts insist that Ayn Rand is a brilliant thinker who exposed society's flaws, and there's some sort of intellectual cover-up, trying to prevent her wisdom from being accepted by the masses. And there have indeed been many brilliant thinkers who were maligned for long periods of time as imbeciles or worse before they were eventually realized as the great minds they were (Nietzsche comes to mind). The fact that many people despise Rand shouldn't make you dismiss her--- it should in fact urge you to make that decision for yourself. There is a chance, I suppose, that a whole, whole lot of people are wrong, and that Rand was on to something. In addition, the fact that a philosophy is insulting to some people has no bearing on it's relevance. And just because many obnoxious and lousy people follow someone, it doesn't mean the person they follow is necessarily bad.



3) You'll be able to end arguments --- There is so much anti-Rand sentiment out there that the followers of Rand make a quite valid point that most people haven't read and considered her writings for themselves. As easy to read and accessible as her works are, it really does fall on anyone who wants to voice an opinion on the matter to go through the minimal trouble of reading her works. I've gotten in my fair share of debates with Objectivists, and find that their go-to argument is that anyone who disagrees with them obviously hasn't bothered to read Rand. If you have read her, then you can end that argument quickly, and proceed to the real substance of a debate on Rand--- and really, a lot of the topics that Rand touches on, whether you agree or disagree with her, are extremely good debate topics, and do get ideas flowing. Knowing why she's wrong is infinitely more valuable that taking someone else's word for it that she is.



You can't really pigeon-hole Objectivists as 16 yr olds and assholes. True, many are. But just as often, they are impressively smart people who have just latched on to Rand because it resonated with some part of their mind, and have felt more secure believing in Objectivism than offering it the critical evaluation which would pretty much demolish it. There are also a scary number of conservative think-tanks which promote Objectivism. It has a political agenda. It's not just for teenagers. Just people who are moralistically stymied as teenagers.



Is it *******ed up? Yes. I think so. But ******ed up, like beauty, is in the eye of the proverbial beholder. The part of the Fountainhead that most people find objectionable is the scene in which the ostensible 'hero' rapes a woman, who in turn adores him for his initiative. I consider that kind of ****ed up.



So yeah, go on and read it. Even if you determine it's junk, there's a value to knowing that for yourself, rather than just believing popular opinion.



Hope that helps.
damlovash
2010-10-01 15:39:08 UTC
It's a "must read" in the same way that a lobotomy is a "must cut." I'd only recommend both for the criminally insane.

It's not f'd up so much as being the banal product of a hack who was twisted by her communist upbringing.

As for something valuable, you'll learn not to waste your time reading objects that are better used to prop up wobbly tables.
magpiesmn
2010-10-01 15:32:39 UTC
There is a big chance most of the people who read it totally misunderstand what it was trying to say. If you are just reading it because people suggested it to you then I would suggest you read c.s. lewis's The Great Divorce if you haven't instead as it is probably the best book I have ever read. And ya I have heard she is really crazy and has very far out ideas. I normally don't get a book unless I know nothing about it or I think it'll be funny to read so.
anonymous
2010-10-01 15:22:59 UTC
No i did not read it but your story sounds familiar to mine. I was gonna do that book for a book review but then, after reading like the first page, and also reading reviews on the book, I was glad i didn't. Look it up for a review on the web. Google will give you results. In my opinion, I'm glad I didn't read it.


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