Question:
What makes something "alive"?
cricket
2006-07-09 10:00:21 UTC
I'm just wondering about what defines "life". Because if we made a robot that was programed to reproduce itself, learn, change according to it's surroundings, and stop functioning after a while, could we not call it "alive" and why?
Fourteen answers:
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2006-07-09 11:19:08 UTC
My dear friend,everything is quite ALIVE here.Every paticle in the space or body is trying to attain equillibrum with the atmosphere.Our space is ALIVE,the continuous change in the atmosphere makes the all bodies to react & attain equillibrium.There is no perfect EQUILLIBRIUM.There is a continuous change of body to liquid,gas,fire and ether.Every piece of space or body is FIERY or LIVE.Only thing is you are unable to see them ALIVE.
manonfire
2006-07-09 20:29:51 UTC
This robot no matter how advanced could never really "feel". Therefore, all of its functions, all of its learning, and adaptations are artificial. Responses to commands, programming. You could argue that human beings are merely a fleshly version of that; merely responding to the commands of our environment slowly being programmed throughout our lives, but I dont think robots or whatever kind of artificial intelligence you want to come up with could learn to "feel" happiness or loss or anything. It could reproduce the symptoms of these emotions but, well, you get the picture. Also, humans, animals, plants, bacteria, and any other living thing have cells that reproduce on their own. Robots no matter how advanced even if they could repair themselves rely on materials inanmate parts that have to be replaced. No other form could ever take a cell from one being and a cell from another and create a completely new being that grows and matures on its own.
2006-07-09 17:05:47 UTC
What makes something alive is the same thing that makes it conscious. There is a line between periodic automation and non-periodic complexity.



It does not matter how complex or sophisticated your robot would be, it would still be a set of recursive and repetitive rules. Our brains and even those of insects are based on chaotic information processing systems with a broader spectrum of possibilities, behaviors etc.



It's actually a well balanced mix of order and chaos that makes life possible.



Today's computer software are too orderly and too simple to let chaos ignite life into them.
tigerzntalons
2006-07-09 18:10:13 UTC
No.

" Life is the characteristic state of organisms. Properties common to terrestrial organisms (plants, animals, fungi, protists and bacteria) are that they are cellular, carbon-and-water-based with complex organization, having a metabolism, a capacity to grow, respond to stimuli, reproduce and—through natural selection—adapt."



Is it cellular, carbon-water based. Does it have a metabolism, have the capacity to grow, and have the capacity to evolve (physically with respect to it's offspring). Doubt you were able to do all that with a robot. But I applaud your efforts.



A.I. and robotics has always been something I wanted to learn about. Thus far, unfortunately, I haven't gotten around to it. Perhaps someday, when my children are a little older.



BTW, I believe you would need the assistance of Nanotechnology to REALLY bring a robot to life.
an amateur
2006-07-09 17:08:02 UTC
I would say that living things have cells, yet a scientific answer doesn't seem strong enough. It possible to breathe yet not live. Science cannot completely explain this enigmatic entity called life. To live you must think, wonder, and question. To live you must run, jump, and experience. To be alive you must do something with your life and not be a turtle stuck inside its shell. I think this is why a robot cannot really be alive.
teachingazteca
2006-07-09 17:06:25 UTC
Because it would not really be "reproducing" itself- it would gather parts and put together anpother robot.



Live animals use reproductive processes such as mitosis or miosis, whereby the organism itself produces the parts, not goes out and finds them like a robot would have to.



Also, cell production is a continuous thing- it not only happens in reproduction, it happens in every organism as we grow, shed skin, breathe, ingest, digest, etc., we are creating new cells and modifying existing cells.
leo m
2006-07-10 03:32:34 UTC
Great question!!!!!!!!!



I think its because what we have been programmed to belive / see / Perceive from childhood-- what is Alive and what is Dead.



Look at what William black wrote:



I Question not my Corporeal or Vegitative Eye

As I Question not Window concerning sight

I See through it and not with.



This world is Five windows of the soul and distorts

Heavens from pole to pole.

And leads you to belive A Lie

when you see through NOT wITH the Eye!!!!!!!!!!!!
judson d
2006-07-09 17:35:57 UTC
Self-awareness. Yes this means I do not consider plants to be " alive ", they are complex organisms, but I refrain from giving them too much credit.
kevrob8008
2006-07-09 17:07:08 UTC
if it has a spirit of some type it is alive.



the robot would be alive if a spirit assumed control of it after you built it.



if there is no spirit, then we assume it is matter only or the spirit inside itself is nearly dead.
The Indigo Cobra
2006-07-09 17:07:26 UTC
Something comes "alive" when it receives attention, care or love. It doesn't have to be animated.
jopuppy
2006-07-09 17:28:20 UTC
thee movement and awakness of something thremental and physical behavior of someething.
gnostic
2006-07-09 17:41:48 UTC
God is life
drakke1
2006-07-09 17:16:41 UTC
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johnslat
2006-07-09 17:04:54 UTC
What is life, exactly? This is a question that keeps biologists up at night. The science of biology is the study of life, yet scientists can't agree on an absolute definition. Are the individual cells of your body, with all their complex machinery, "alive?" What about a computer program that learns and evolves? Can a wild fire - which feeds, grows, and reproduces - be considered a living entity?



Trying to define life is not just a philosophical exercise. We need to understand what separates living creatures from non-living matter before we can claim to find life elsewhere in the Universe.



In 1944, the physicist Erwin Shrodinger defined living matter as that which "avoids the decay into equilibrium." This definition refers to the Second Law of Thermodynamics, which says that entropy always increases. Entropy is often referred to as chaos or disorder, but really it is the spreading out of energy towards a state of uniformity. This law can be seen in a cold glass of water that slowly grows warmer until it is the same temperature as the surrounding air. Because of this trend toward equilibrium, the Universe eventually will have a complete lack of structure, consisting of evenly spread atoms of equal warmth.



But living things, said Shrodinger, are able to postpone this trend. Consider: while you are alive your body maintains its structure, but once you die your body begins to break down through bacterial action and chemical processes. Eventually the atoms of your body are evenly spread out, recycled by the Earth. To die is to submit your body to the entropy of the Universe.



Living things resist entropy by taking in nutrients. This biochemical process of taking in energy for activities and expelling waste byproducts is known as a "metabolism." If metabolism is a sign of life, scientists can look for the waste byproducts of a metabolism when searching for life on other worlds.



viking lander

Image of the Viking Lander.

Credit: NSSDC Photo Gallery



At least, that was the idea behind the Viking Lander's Labeled Release Experiment, conducted on Mars in 1976. This experiment tested for metabolic clues to life by adding radioactively labeled liquid nutrients to a sample of Martian soil. If these nutrients were consumed by life forms, any gases released as waste byproducts would also be radioactively labeled.



After the nutrient was injected, there was a rapid increase in carbon dioxide (CO2) gas. Because this gas had the radioactive label, scientists at first concluded that organisms in the Martian soil were eating the nutrient and releasing the CO2 as a waste byproduct. However, the Martian soil turned out to have a unique soil chemistry that could produce a metabolic-like reaction. Although the test remains inconclusive, most scientists believe that non-living, chemical processes in the Martian soil caused the "metabolic" reaction. The Viking experiments showed that while metabolism may be a quality of life, it is not a narrow enough guideline to search for life elsewhere.



Another quality of all life on Earth is a dependence on water. Since water plays such a crucial role in all known life forms, many scientists believe that water-use will be a quality universal to all life. But Benton Clark, an astrobiologist with the University of Colorado and Lockheed Martin, says that water is really a side issue.



"Water doesn't define life, it is just an aspect of our environment," says Clark.



Life on Earth evolved with water, and so today life on Earth is dependent on that resource. But we cannot say that without water, life is impossible. On Earth, life has been able to adapt to the harshest environments, so it is possible that life may have found a way to survive on worlds that have no liquid water.



Steven Benner, an astrobiologist with the University of Florida, agrees that water is not necessarily a universal quality of life.



"We can conceive of chemistries that might occur in sulfuric acid as a solvent - as on Venus - or in methane-ammonia mixtures - as on Jupiter," says Benner. "Discovering these would have a profound impact on our view of life, however, as well as the way that NASA looks for it."



A recent definition of life created by Gerald Joyce of the Scripps Research Institute doesn't mention either metabolism or water. This definition says that life is "a self-sustaining system capable of Darwinian evolution."



But Clark says most life forms technically are not self-sustaining. Animals feed on plants or other animals, plants need microorganisms at their roots to take up nutrients, and bacteria often live inside other organisms, relying on the internal environment of their host. He says the only truly self-sustaining organisms are chemolithotrophs and photolithotrophs, and they are relatively rare.



Clark says that Darwinian evolution is another problematic criteria. How could you tell if something has undergone Darwinian evolution? The time scales involved are enormous - scientists would need a complete understanding of an organism's fossil history before being able to declare that the object is, indeed, alive.



According to Clark, living organisms exhibit at least 102 observable qualities. Adding all these qualities together into a single - if exceedingly long - definition still does not capture the essence of life. But Clark has picked out three qualities from this list that he considers universal, creating a new definition of life. This definition says that "life reproduces, and life uses energy. These functions follow a set of instructions embedded within the organism."



The instructions are the DNA and RNA "letters" that make up the genetic code in all organisms on Earth. A wild fire, one might say, reproduces and uses energy. So do crystals and various chemical reactions. In fact, Benner says that, "every spontaneous chemical process must expend free energy, living or not."

crystals

"Every spontaneous chemical process must expend free energy, living or not," Benner says. The formation of these crystals is an example.

Credit: National Ignition Facility Programs



But Clark says none of these phenomena are "alive" because none of them have the embedded instructions of a genetic code. We know there are no instructions, because there has not been any mutation over the years. They follow the rules of physics rather than embedded instructions, and so they behave the same every time. Mutation, says Clark, is the key to understanding whether or not something has embedded instructions.



Not all living things are capable of reproduction, however. Mules are born sterile. Most honeybees do not reproduce: only the Queen bee has that honor. Many human beings live their entire lives without producing offspring, and no one would argue that such people were not therefore alive.



But Clark says that reproduction and energy-use need not both occur for life to exist. He divides life into two categories: "organisms" and "Lifeforms." Organisms channel energy according to embedded instructions, and this energy allows the organism to perform certain activities. A Lifeform, says Clark, is a broader category that encompasses organisms and makes reproduction possible.



"What I am proposing is that the individual physical entities should be called 'organisms,' but it sometimes takes a collection of organisms, the 'Lifeform,' to achieve reproduction," says Clark.



There have been many definitions of life created over the years, but there has yet to be a single definition accepted by all. Every definition has had to face down challenges to its validity. According to Carol Cleland of the University of Colorado, this is because definitions are concerned only with language and concepts; they can't expand our understanding of the world. We can only define things we already understand.



Cleland says that scientists in the seventeenth century had the same problem trying to define water. There are many descriptions of water - it's wet, thirst-quenching, it freezes and turns into vapor - but other substances also have these qualities. Once scientists discovered molecular chemistry, they could define water to everyone's satisfaction as one oxygen atom coupled with two hydrogen atoms (H2O). Perhaps we need a similar revolution in scientific thought in order to define life.

"Current attempts to answer the question, 'What is life?' by defining life in terms of features like metabolism or reproduction - features that we ordinarily use to recognize samples of terrestrial life - are unlikely to succeed," says Cleland. "What we need to answer the question, 'What is life?' is a general theory of living systems."

The problem with searching for life forms with embedded instructions, says Clark, is that the criteria may be too specific. The only instructions we know of are DNA and RNA - there may be other genetic systems possible in the Universe that do not resemble the system found here on Earth.


This content was originally posted on Y! Answers, a Q&A website that shut down in 2021.
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