Can there be 'Realization' without 'liberation'?

Question

Can one go through realization without first being liberated?

Or is liberation and realization two entirely different concepts?
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Answer 1

Realisation of self and the universe cannot arise until liberation is gained from fear, from cosseted ignorance, from incited hatred, and from pragmatic irrationalism. These negative forces of will literally create barriers between the soul and the freedom surrounding it. The ascent from conception, infancy, childhood to maturity is one of learning, of being cautious of the unfamiliar, wary of the unknown until with understanding our world becomes a familiar and trusted place.



Life begins upon a reconciliation of our world and the people within it, the factors underlying its temperance and the principles governing its functioning. One an innate or educated comprehension is gained it is then this barrier, partially shielding the self from the unknown, and partially constructed from fear and ignorance are dismantled and the soul is awakened, realises the world with greater vision, a higher perception and ad a deeper knowing.



Realisation of the universal cannot be gained therefore until liberation from the physical is actuated. One precedes the other, sometimes liberation brings a fresher sense of realisation and sometimes realisation of the munificent and vulnerable world brings liberation from one’s own enclaved consciousness...



Two inter-correlating concepts than entirely independent principles...

Answer 2

This seems like an invitation to speculate about just what your vague question means, while sipping latte's and congratulating each other over how smart we sound.



It recalls the trumped up word games of 18th and 19th century european philosophy that tried to encode everything into a few convenient words; but unlike that philosophy it doesn't even begin to try to explain just what you mean by them.



Since you have left the interpretation of the words entirely open-ended, I'll just assume they mean what I think they mean, then.



Some people in prisons can write books and do what they want to in prisons. They haven't been liberated. But they are real. They also are able to realize their goals.



On the other hand a homeless person who is completely liberated from all responsibility is also almost completely unable to realize any of their goals. Although they are still entirely real, and the most real of their goals are always on their minds, namely food, survive the cold, shelter, maybe beer.



As for what "liberation" and "realization" are, they are words, not concepts. While they can represent concepts, they don't represent any concept at all unless they are given plenty of context. Like, pages and pages of just what you mean by the words. Cause they have lots of different usages, both of them.

Answer 3

My first thought is: probably not. However, I wouldn't say liberation necessarily has to occur before there may be realization. I'd say, more often, they occur simultaneously. Realization liberates us from the blindness and powerlessness that we suffer as a result of ignorance. As for the last question, I say yes, they are entirely different concepts, but certainly, they are closely related.

Answer 4

I believe that one has much realization while still contained and imprisoned, it is Realization that gives one the impetus to liberate and become free from restraints and ideologies.

Answer 5

Every individual person can realize. Liberation can be obtained only by those who apply their knowledge into practical action.

Answer 6

not sure in yoga i think they mean the same thing?you can realize many things but supposedly be liberated one time.



im not a fan of putting a gun to my egos head and blowing its brains out. i love my ego,and see no need to kill it...to merge with a uncaring super soul

Answer 7

sure, i had a realization that there is no god recently (yay sleeping on sundays) and i'm still annoyed by family i pretty much hate